Check Point Software Technolog [CHKP] Conference call transcript for 2023 q1
2023-05-01 12:11:08
Fiscal: 2023 q1
Kip Meintzer: during the formal presentation, all participants are in listen-only mode and this will be followed by a question-and-answer session. During this presentation, Check Point's representatives may make certain forward-looking statements. Within the -- forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the Securities Act of 1934. Forward-looking statements generally relate to future events or our future financial or operating performance. Forward-looking statements include, but are not limited to, statements related to our expectations regarding our product solutions, expectations related to cyber security and other threats. Our expectations and beliefs regarding these matters may not materialize, and actual results or events in the future are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results or events to differ materially from those projected. These risks include our ability to continue developing platform capabilities and solutions, customer acceptance, purchase of our existing solutions and new solutions, the market for IT security continuing to develop competition from other products and services, general market, political economic and business conditions, including as a result of the impact of COVID-19 pandemic. These forward-looking statements are also subject to risks and uncertainties, including those more fully described in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our annual report on Form 20-F. The forward-looking statement in this management presentation are based on information available to Check Point as of the date hereof and Check Point disclaims any obligation to update any forward-looking statements except as required by law. In our press release, which has been posted on our website, we present GAAP and non-GAAP results along with a reconciliation of such results and the reasons for our presentation of non-GAAP information. If you have any questions after the call, please contact Investor Relations at kip@checkpoint.com. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Roei Golan for a review of our financial statements.
Roei Golan: Thank you, Kip, and thank you for everyone to joining the call. Let me just share the presentation. Yes. So I'm excited to be with you to present our results for the first quarter of 2023. Our revenues this quarter reached $566 million, which is 1 million above the midpoint of our projections. Our earnings per share were $1.80, surpassed our endpoint of our projection and $0.07 above the midpoint of our projections. So despite the market uncertainty and the tough macro environment, we delivered 4% growth based on our projections and reached our projection and delivered 15% growth in our earnings to $1.80. Now let's dive to the detailed review of the quarter. As I mentioned, the revenue increased by 4% to $566 million. Our deferred revenues was up by 8% to $1,797 million. Our short-term deferred revenues were up too by 8%. Our calculated billings reached $485 million, a decline of 3% year-over-year. Let me remind you that our billing is affected by duration, payment terms, and in this kind of market uncertainty, we saw this quarter fewer customers willing to pay upfront for multiyear deal, which resulted in shorter billing duration. If we are looking on our current calculated billing, it was actually up 2% year-over-year. Our product revenues declined by 7% year-over-year. This was the result of the market uncertainty that resulted in extended sales cycles and in deferral of projects, mainly refresh project in the Quantum Appliances and we see more cautious spending by customers that around refresh projects and deferral of projects. If we're looking on the security subscription, we had a very strong quarter with 13% growth year-over-year and reached $228 million. This double-digit growth was driven by our CloudGuard and Harmony E-mail businesses that were both had a strong double-digit growth, both in revenues and both in new business bookings. Also, we see that we had a great quarter with Infinity to continue -- and continue to flow in an accelerated way to our revenues and reached a growth of over 140% year-over-year in revenues. We see that we reached a key milestone of 80% of recurring revenues out of our total revenue. Actually, 81% of our revenues are recurring revenues, which are the subscription revenues plus the support and maintenance revenues. And out of the 81% recurring revenue, 50% of them are subscription based. And we see a consistent growth of our subscription and our recurring revenues over the last few years. Now let's look at the revenue by deals. A 45% of our revenues came from EMEA, 43% of our revenues came from Americas, while 12% of our revenues came from Asia Pacific. And let's dive now to the P&L highlights for the quarter. Our gross profit was increased by 5% to $502 million, which represents a gross margin of 89%, which is higher than 88% that we had last year. Those total margins are impressive considering we still see pricing increase by many vendors. We see an improvement in the supply chain environment that was very challenging last year and we hope to see this trend continue in the remaining of 2023. Our operating expenses were increased by 11%. This was mainly as a result of our continuing investments in our workforce, cloud infrastructures and in-person marketing activities, including our CPX event that took place this quarter. So we reached a very strong operating income of $238 million. That was 42% of margin -- operating margin this quarter. Our financial income this quarter reached $19 million as we invest in higher interest rates over time. And we expect that this income will increase in the last in the next few quarters by one million or two every quarter. Our non-GAAP tax rates for this quarter was around 15%, mainly due to indexation and update in tax provisions because of several tax assessments we have worldwide. Our non-GAAP net income increased to $218 million, 7% growth year-over-year and $1.80 -- EPS of $1.80, which represents 50% -- double digit or 50% growth year-over-year, very strong results. Our GAAP net income was $184 million or $1.52 per diluted share. If I'm moving to our cash flow and cash position, so our cash balances as of the end of the quarter or of the quarter were $3.6 billion. Our operating cash flow was strong at $386 million this quarter. During the quarter, we continued our buyback program and purchased 2.6 million shares for $325 million at an average price of $127 per share. In the past 12 months, we acquired in total -- we purchased in total $1.3 billion of shares. So if we summarize our financial results. So we had a double-digit growth in subscription revenues driven by our Harmony E-mail and CloudGuard products. Our recurring revenues -- is the key milestone of 80% of more than -- 80% of our total revenues, the macro environment resulted in extended sales cycle that resulted in a decline in our product revenues and we finished a very strong profitability of 15% growth in EPS. Now I'll turn the call over to Gil.
Gil Shwed: Thank you, Kip. Thank you, Roei. That was a very good update on the financial side. On the business side, I'd like to reiterate some of the messages and give some more color to the technology to the trend that we see. As you know, the need for cyber security remains high. The level -- the number of attacks keeps growing. The sophistication of attacks keeps growing and with that, what we are doing. But just to reiterate a little bit about some of the quarterly highlights that we see. So first, I'm very, very proud of the financial results. Our revenues were above the midpoint. 15% EPS growth is actually exceptional and we had a very healthy business in the renewal, which shows that our customers are loyal and care about that. Having said that, we are still operating in a challenging economy. We still we saw the effect of that economy on our business with extended sale cycles project being postponed. And I think Roei also shared the decline in the new deals with product sales, still with a double-digit growth in CloudGuard and Harmony E-mail, 140% growth in Infinity revenues, 13% growth in all the security subscription. And again, I'm very proud that we now reached over 80% of recurring revenues. This is all driven by many, many important initiatives and many technologies that we are delivering this quarter and every quarter. Let me give you some highlights for the things we launched in the first quarter. First and foremost is the Infinity Global Services. Second is getting into the new market of Security Operation Center, SOC with Horizon XDR/XPR. And I'll dive into each and every one of them. And last and not least is the expansion that we did in the cloud with Cloud Native Application Protection. Again each and every one of them addresses an important market in the security landscape and all presented pretty good results for the quarter. So let me start with the new Infinity Global Services. I think we all know that customer wants to have better security, more security. We all know that there's a huge skill shortage in the market for cyber security. Our partners, our customers all have a lot of expertise in cyber security, but none of them have everything included. And the idea here with introducing our Infinity Global Services is to augment the needs of our customers and partners. When they want to run fast and get the best security and get the full deployment, whatever stage they need, they will always miss something. It can be on the security assessment side, it can be in how to optimize the security environment. It can be in a training and certifications and things like that. And it can be in the full operation and response to incidents and managed security services. We are here to help them. So we're taking many, many services that we have, adding to them a whole new set of services based on the needs that our customers have and coming to our customer with a simple value proposition. We are here to help you to augment that. I believe that this is serving a very important market. The security services market is a $75 billion market. We're not going to be a giant player here, but we are going to participate in this market and help our customers accelerate their value realization from the security technology. So last quarter we introduced Infinity Global Services and we look forward to expand our capabilities and show results in the next few years. Next is I think I've talked about the new family for Horizon. This is another important market today. It's a sub $1 billion market expected to grow to almost $3 billion market in five years. And our approach here XDR/XPR is meaning how do you collect information from multiple sources and out of them get additional security value. Now most XDR products today, they actually called EDR endpoint detection and response focused about detection, focused about endpoint. What we're talking about, XDR and XPR is extensive prevention and response to all types of security events. Our approach here is very different because we turn things into automatic prevention very, very quickly. AI driven and again focused on the Prevention First approach. We include the network, we include the endpoint, we include the email, we include the checkpoint architecture. But we also connect today to many, many third-party tools that are available in the infrastructure from Microsoft, from other vendors. All part of the system we already know how to include. And I think through that system in the last few months since we introduced it, we are seeing on a weekly basis new incidents that we find in our customers environment and immediately turn that into prevention. So I think you see some of the analyst quotes here from ESG, Dave Gruber from ESG. The integrated approach here is unique. We can drive change across the broader security industry. I think it's a very, very good start to us. It gives access to the CISO, access to the Security Operations Center, and for our customer, it's tremendous value that they derive from this family and from the rest of the Check Point Technologies that they have. Last not least is the expansion of the CloudGuard family with CNAPP or CloudGuard Native Application Protection Platform. Here we are combining six different technologies into one solution. And when you look at the market for cloud security, it's a multi-billion dollar market, not a giant one, but a big one. And but it's spread around many, many different technologies. Some of the stars in this market, they are speaking mainly about posture management, something we do for more than five years. Others are talking about workload protection, other in the development cycle, the DevOps, the pipeline or source security. And there's many, many sub segments. And when the customer is getting into that, they simply need too many technologies to get all of that to work together. And I think with the Check Point, CloudGuard, CNAPP, we are combining all these elements into one family that get more context, more actionable security, smarter prevention. And again, turning some of these things are prevention all the time like the web application protection and the cloud network security. Some of them like the posture management turn configuration, incident analysis, things like that into very quick prevention by changing configuration and by putting the right information in front of the security operations. So this is good. And by the way, I hope it helped us drive some of the cloud revenues that we've seen increasing last quarter. All of these elements play into the -- what we discussed last quarter, the 3C strategy that we talked about. How do we make security comprehensive, consolidated and collaborative. And I think it's not enough to come up with a bunch of security technologies. It's not enough to come with a lot of different elements. We really need to make the whole architecture work together. And I'm putting a lot of emphasis on the collaborative element of that strategy, making all the different elements of the security work together. But also, if you look at the other 2Cs, I think no one has a more comprehensive architecture with Check Point, and no one has an architecture that's truly consolidate and when you can get into one unified portal management to automate to do the same security management operation from one single management console. And I think this is reflected in some of the wins that we've experienced in the last quarter. Of course, we are doing thousands of deals every quarter. So it's hard to pick the leading one, but we picked here. A few examples that show all the different elements, the Infinity, the Harmony, the CloudGuard, for example, here is an airline that got our security assessment. We've got in with our services delivered a quick security assessment despite this vendor using 12 different vendors. They don't have the skills to manage. They don't have the personnel to manage all these different vendors. And they weren't getting the highest score. They decided that the approach of using a platform consolidating many solutions is the right approach. We did a very fair process and I'm very glad to see that they standardize on Infinity. It's a new customer to us and we are very proud of that. Another one is giant media companies, one of the most complex cloud environments that we've seen thousands of cloud accounts, different cloud platforms, using different cloud security solutions in the environment. And again, they found it almost impossible to manage, not addressing all the needs and the new cloud projects that we have drove with consolidation, we went in, we went live in less than a month and showed them how we can really elevate the level of security, consolidate so many elements, and all of that is just the beginning of the very strong road map and vision that we liked about what Check Point does. Last example is about our Harmony E-mail, something that's actually a fast-selling solution that we have now. In this case, we are talking about a giant telco suffered two embarrassing incidents that resulted in e-mails that got through their security defenses. They used multiple solutions from multiple vendors and both solutions fail to improve, fail to address the issues and show them that next time this attack won't happen. We got in, showed them within days that we can immediately that we can block this attack, but even more important, that we can scale our solution and provide the solution to a very large environment, usually, by the way, our email business started with midsized kind of customers. And here, we showed them that within a few weeks, we were able to scale to thousands and tens of thousands. And finally, we won the contract with over 100,000 mailboxes on Harmony E-mail, worked, real-world production and protecting that customer that failed to achieve the same thing with our solution. So these are just demonstrating some of the successes that we have in different areas of the cyber security. So to summarize, this quarter, we had very good results despite the economic slowdown, which affected us and what we see in the marketplace. Very glad to see the double-digit growth, the 13% growth in subscription revenues, the 15% growth in EPS, which is exceptional. And I think we're demonstrating the values that we are talking about of providing the best securities with the 3C strategy with the new launches of the Infinity Global Services, the new Horizon family with XDR/XPR and with the smarter cloud prevention as part of our strategy. So I think that summarizes a pretty good quarter. Before I get to your question, I'd like to share our projections. So I'll start with the projections for the year. These are unchanged. We are just including that slide. As a reminder, it's the exact same slide that we showed last quarter. Revenues for the year are expected to be between $2.34 billion to $2.510 billion. Despite the economy, despite the challenges, we are -- we believe that we can still be in that range. Non-GAAP EPS, same thing. Ranges between $7.70 to $8.30. Non-GAAP EPS is expected to be approximately $1.22 less. Again, same slide that we showed last quarter. And I'm going to share the range for the second quarter, which we haven't shared before. And this, again, within the same landscape here, revenues are expected to be between $570 million to $605 million. And non-GAAP EPS is expected to be between $1.85 to $1.95, pretty healthy EPS and GAAP EPS is expected to be approximately $0.31 less. So this is the update for the quarter, for the projections, and be very happy to open the call for your questions. Thank you.
Operator:Shaul Eyal: Good afternoon, everybody. Good to see, Gil, that you're keeping fiscal '23 guidance intact. I had a question on the product decline. How much of that was attributed to Infinity actually showing a very solid performance.
Gil Shwed: Product decline obviously doesn't come from Infinity, which actually showed very good performance when customers are buying more of our architecture, more comprehensive solutions and showing that. It's coming from -- mainly from refresh projects that are being delayed. As I mentioned, since I think Q4 since November, we see a very big change in the industries -- and again, I think you've seen it in many other companies' results, you've seen it in the decline in PC shipments in the first quarter. We've seen it in results of other companies in the industry. And it's part of our business as well. That's why I'm so proud in the results that we've achieved because despite the fact that customers are holding back on refresh projects are trying to tighten up our budget, our results are excellent. The renewal rates that we have and the recurring business that we have is very healthy. But again, I can't do without sharing the concern that we have about the tightening spending that we see across the marketplace.
Kip Meintzer: All right. Next up will be Keith Bachman from BMO followed by Patrick Colville of Scotiabank.
Keith Bachman: Hi, Gil. Thanks very much. It's Keith Bachman from BMO. I wanted to ask a question about why do things get better? What's the driver of improvement? And what I mean by that, let's break it into -- you commented that billings growth net of duration changes was, call it, 2%. What's the catalyst in terms of a product acceptance driver that gets at to mid-single digits or even higher? And if you could B) comment, do you envision billings being a positive or a negative number during the course of calendar year '23? Thank you.
Gil Shwed: I can let Roei maybe speak a little bit more about the technicalities of the billings and so on. But in terms of the business trend, which I think is the most important. There are several elements that I think can improve and can cause us to get into much higher growth. First, again, it's the economy, and that's not up to us. But what we can do, there's plenty of we can do. First, I think the new products that we have everything from Horizon, Harmony, CloudGuard and the full Infinity architecture can drive accelerated growth. Second is our engagement with customers. There is so much potential in the market that we don't touch within our installed base and outside our installed base. We are meeting with so many CISOs with Chief Information Security Officers. They love Check Point, they like our brand, and they don't know the full Check Point story. They don't know how much value we can provide to them. And I believe that we can do so much more by engaging more with customers and covering more of the market. So if I take all these elements, I'm actually -- I think that we have plenty to do to drive more business. I think we're doing that. I think it takes time until we will see the results. And I think, again, we can't forget the economy, but also as either a tailwind or a headwind right now is very strong headwind unfortunately.
Kip Meintzer: All right. Next up is Patrick Colville followed by Tomer Zilberman, Tal Liani of BofA.
Patrick Colville: Thank you so much, Kip. So last week at RSA conference, CNAPP was the talk of the town. So I was really exciting to see the launch this morning, CloudGuard, CNAPP which you called out a combined six technologies into one solution. I guess my question is, of those six technologies, what's new here? Is it just kind of rebranding and bundling? Or is there new product launch alongside this announcement? And then I guess kind of the second part of the question is, do you expect CloudGuard, CNAPP to be -- to allow Check Point land new customers or do you think it's mostly going to be kind of cross-sell into the existing base? Thank you.
Gil Shwed: I think there are several things that are new in the CloudGuard, CNAPP. The pipeline source security is new, the entitlement management is more new. There's a lot of new capabilities and new technology and AI technology that drives the posture management into much more focused security results and security I mean, again, when you analyze the cloud infrastructure or any infrastructure, you see thousands of different issues. The point here is to take the important ones, highlight them and fix them. And I think our new technology with the CNAPP launch is part of that. In the workload protection, we had several new technologies in the last few months and that's also helping. So clearly, we have a lot new in that package. And last but not least, I don't think it's the newest technology, but it's a very important one. It's the web application protection that protects all the connection between application. This technology has proven to be one of the best technology to provide prevention, all the latest web vulnerabilities or cloud vulnerability with log for shell, web for shell, all these latest vulnerabilities that existed in the market place. Check Point was the only vendor that blocked them on zero day. There was a recent -- by one of the a recent survey by one of the -- actually this is -- in the security marketplace that tested, I think, around 20 different web application security solution and say that they're all vulnerable with these attack except one, which was Check Point. I mean we basically said our industry can deal with it, except Check Point. So I mean, combining all of that, there's a lot new here and there is a lot that I think the offer of combining all of them brings plenty of value to customers because I think no customer can take all these technologies and apply it to multi-cloud environment in an effective manner.
Patrick Colville: Thank you, Gil. Thank you, Kip.
Kip Meintzer: All right. Next up is Tal Liani/Tomer Zil. Tal Liani is here. All right, followed by Gray Powell from BTIG.
Tal Liani: Hi, Guys.
Kip Meintzer: Sorry to hear about your brother, Tal.
Tal Liani: Thank you. Life moves on, unfortunately. I had a question on kind of the correlation between historical orders and supply constraints and what we're seeing now with products. And I'm trying to understand if you can take us through the history of -- you had some -- all the companies that you didn't provided the data, but all the companies had some elevated orders in the past that were not -- they were not able to ship because of supply constraints. So as we go into this year, we were -- we thought that the product revenues of all companies will be safe for a quarter or two because now there are deliveries of supplies. So the question is, as we see today, the product declines despite some historical orders or backlog of orders, is it going to get worse in the next few quarters because of the environment because you're running out of kind of backlog of historical orders? Or are we seeing now a reflection of the environment.
Gil Shwed: I believe I can, again, I don't know, Roei, if you want to add, but I believe that we've been able to ship product all the quarters. I mean it's not that we had a huge backlog that we can fulfill. Last Q1, by the way, we had one of the strongest quarters that we had in terms of driving new business. So the compare this quarter to last Q1 is a tough one. But still I think the comparable is fair. We are seeing a real change in the business environment. I want to be very clear on that. It's the second quarter. It's not the first quarter that we see that. And again I don't think that we have any overhang in product supply. Unlike other vendors, we were able to supply pretty much all the orders that our customers expected us to ship every quarter. We paid the price for that in previous years with extended costs that we've worked really, really hard to secure components for our manufacturing of appliances and so on, which is actually helping us a little bit now on the margin side, but not on the revenues or the shipment side.
Tal Liani: Sure. Thank you.
Gil Shwed: Roei, anything you want to add on that?
Roei Golan: Yes, yes, I think it's definitely right. We didn't have any, I mean, we didn't have any significant issues last year in terms of delivering on time. Again, as Gil mentioned, it was mainly affected our cost we had increased cost, but in general, we delivered on time, and it's mainly the effect of the environment that we did. The numbers that you see now, it's mainly the effect of what we see in the environment in Q1 in the first quarter. What we've seen in the environment in the first quarter.
Tal Liani: Okay. Thanks.
Kip Meintzer: For those of you that are new to the call, the call has been -- the call list has been predetermined you'll be called in the order that it's brought up. Next up is Gray Powell from BTIG, followed by Joshua Tilton from Wolfe Research.
Gray Powell: All right. Great. Thanks for taking the question. Is it possible to parse out how much of the billings weakness in Q1 was related to uncertainty in the banking sector around things like SBV, and just dynamics that are maybe more temporary in nature versus the general slowdown in refresh activity that we saw back in November? And then anything that you can say in April trends would be really helpful. Thanks.
Gil Shwed: Do you want me to start? In terms -- I think in terms of quantifying it, we cannot -- it's not something that we can quantify. I mean we saw it broadly. I mean in terms of refresh project that's being postponed not specifically in certain industry. So I don't see -- it's not something that, again, in terms of something that we can quantify in dollars. And as for your second -- what is the second question that you had, Gray?
Gray Powell: Just anything on April that in terms of the recovery in April trends in terms of deals that we have slipped and closed or just anything on April that you can say?
Gil Shwed: First, we usually don't provide -- first, I think it's too early in the quarter to say where we are. But again when we are getting ready for this call, we do collect all the information about for the projections, about our pipeline, about the trends in the marketplace about everything our salespeople are saying. Our salespeople are generally actually positive on the second quarter. They have an increased pipeline. I think if I want to be very, very honest, I would say that Roei and me are a little bit more cautious because of what we saw. Again, that's the usual trend. Salespeople tend to be optimistic. Finance people tend to be -- I don't want to say pessimistic, but realistic. And I think I mean, I think that we are realistic in our projection and I think our salespeople are a little bit more positive than us in the range that they provide.
Gray Powell: Understood. I appreciate the candour there. Thanks.
Kip Meintzer: All right. Next up is Joshua Tilton followed by Brad Zelnick from Deutsche Bank.
Joshua Tilton: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I just want to clarify quickly. Did the macro impacts that you saw in 4Q actually get worse in 1Q. And then could you just remind us what exactly is baked into that full year guidance that you reiterated today in terms of your expectations for the macro environment for the rest of the year?
Gil Shwed: So I think from Q4 to Q1, the situation became a little bit worse in what -- in the internal trends that we've seen. But I think also we had a very tough compare because Q1 last year was an exceptional quarter. I think in terms of the internal metrics that we have Q1 of 2022 was the exceptional quarter that I don't think we saw in a decade. So the compare is tough. I think for the full year, there's really no change. I mean, when we did the forecast for the year, we were a little bit more optimistic in terms of the preparing the plan for the year than we are now. But I think we're still in the range and we still hope to deliver on that. And there is a lot of expectation for improvement in the second half that would put us in the upper end of the range, but there's also risks involved, so we have to remember that.
Joshua Tilton: Thanks, guys.
Kip Meintzer: Thanks, Josh. Next up is Brad Zelnick followed by Ray McDonough.
Brad Zelnick: Great. Thanks so much for taking the question. Gil, I've always appreciated the vision that you have within cybersecurity. Any thoughts on the impact of generative AI on the space and in particular, how it might be used by both good and bad actors. Thanks.
Gil Shwed: Absolutely. That's a subject that we are very busy with. I think AI, in general, is something that we've been investing in the last few years. And generative AI, that's in the market now for like five months, I think it's really creating a change in everything in technology. I'm not sure if it's going to be a real change revolution in technology or not, but I believe in it. I think it has the potential to be one of the biggest revolution that we saw. We are in the kind of in the middle of the change. So too early to say. Now it has an effect. It has a big effect on cybersecurity. And I don't think that we can even comprehend the effect of a change. We've shown already in December where researchers showed how you can use generative AI to write which, again, have access to all the code repositories, it can take hold from them and without being a security expert, right, sophisticated malware. If you're talking about phishing attack, which are fairly common actually, e-mail and fishing attacks are the number one entry points of attacks into organization, which plays into our Harmony E-mail, but when you look into them, when you look at most phishing e-mails, you see that we don't have the perfect English or the perfect other language. And you can spot that with generative AI, it become seconds to write a very convincing fishing e-mail. You can link that e-mail with code, let's say, collect customer information, collect personal information. Again, this code can be written by the generative AI. And you don't have to be a real expert, you actually get all the instruction from the generative AI how to create this kind of code. So this is pretty scary about access to malicious things. Equally on our side, there's plenty of usage that we can get from generative AI. And we are investing a lot in AI. We just had, I can tell, first, I mean, just to be clear, we are on AI for many, many years. And last year, we've introduced 12 new threat cloud engines that are based on AI. By now, our threat cloud, which is the kind of brain of our central system a 70-something threat engines, 42 of them are AI-based. AI is pretty big in what we do. But just for the first quarter, based on this AI revolution, we did the Hackathon, for example, within Check Point, and let different teams here see what they can do with generative AI, and I was very positively surprised with the level of innovation. I'm participating in this Hackathons for years. Seeing the innovation, it's the first time that like they presented 10 finalist project. And all the 10 I said, we can use them now. Like good technology. It's not like, okay, doesn't belong here, maybe not at the right quality, almost all 10 were something I said, why aren't we using it now? Some were more internal, but seven or eight out of the 10 were things we can actually incorporate into our products, and I think we will incorporate most of them. So generative AI has the potential to change our market as well.
Brad Zelnick: Thanks, Gil.
Kip Meintzer: All right. Next up is Ray followed by Max Gambrell from Goldman Sachs.
Raymond McDonough: Great. Thanks for taking the question. Gil, maybe for you, how would you characterize the level of discounting you're seeing industry-wide? And how do you think about pricing concessions in this environment. And along with that, how much of an impact is the increase in financing costs that customers have to bear, having on deal activity at this point? Would you characterize it as material? And has it become more apparent in recent months?
Gil Shwed: I don't think it changed materially. We are operating in a tough environment, not in tough, but we are in a competitive environment and sometimes customers get high discounts. I don't know, Roei, did we have an increase in this -- on the last quarter. I didn't see something big, but I think it was relatively consistent. Roei?
Roei Golan: Relatively consistently a bit higher discount because we also raised our prices this quarter. So in the end, we had a bit higher discounts, but pretty consistent with what we've seen in the last few quarters.
Gil Shwed: And again, I think the 1 thing I'm very encouraged with is the healthy renewal business that we've seen in this past quarter. Customers are renewing, which means that a) they are using the technology. Second, they are -- they like it. And that's actually a very, very good sign. I'm hearing from other colleagues, not necessarily in the cyber industry, but other industries. That for them the renewal business was always a source for growth and expansion, especially SaaS vendors. And suddenly, this business is also under pressure. So far, we haven't seen, again, it's tough people ask for discounts, people want that, but it was relatively healthy in the samples that I've seen, I can't even say that I'm seeing a consistent drive for more discounts. Actually, some deals were even lower discounts this year in the fewer type spotted.
Raymond McDonough: Got it. Thank you.
Kip Meintzer: All right. Next up, Max, followed by Saket Kalia of Barclays.
Unidentified Analyst: Yeah, thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask on sales force productivity given that you substantially hired in 2022, especially towards the end of the year. How are some of the changes that you made to your go-to-market organization last year playing out this year? And do you still plan to grow your sales headcount by double-digits in 2023?
Gil Shwed: Sales productivity remains, I mean, our target for the salespeople remains healthy and remains similar. We are not planning to grow the sales force significantly this year, given the economy and given the fact that we want to digest and we want to make the people which we hire productive, I do believe that our sales force can be far more productive and engage more with customers. We can do more. So I think that we can do more with the people that we have. On the same time, I think because we are cautious because we are not overspending because I think we watch everything, we have the freedom and the flexibility to add people whenever we see it makes sense. So I mean it's the same message that you're hearing from even our sales force hears from me if you have opportunities to add people, if you see that, if you'll add certain people in certain segments, certain countries, certain places that add value, I'll be happy to add them because we can.
Kip Meintzer: All right. Next up is Saket Kalia, followed by Jonathan Ho.
Saket Kalia: Okay. Great. Hey, thanks and good morning, everyone. Roei, maybe for you. I was wondering if you could just talk a little bit about the impact that ITP is having on billings. And I know that we don't guide to billings, but even qualitatively, can you just touch on how you're sort of thinking about billings through the rest of this year as you sort of balance ITP, a higher mix of obviously, duration changes within the industry. Any thoughts you could have on billings for the year would be helpful.
Roei Golan: Yes. Thanks for the question, Saket. So I think, in general, again, Infinity, most of the Infinity digital not being billed upfront. Most of them, we have a specific payment terms. Usually, it's annual payment terms, not paid up front. So the duration of the billing for Infinity deals are usually not more than one year. So that's something that -- again, we see very strong Infinity environment. We see very strong implementation of our Infinity platform, and we see it growing in all regions. But in terms of billing, it can fluctuate because again, it's specifically based on the payment terms for each deal. In terms of billing as in general, so again, we've seen this behaviour in the last two quarters that we see customers that less intend to repay upfront for multiyear deals. Again, in this kind of market environment that we have higher interest rates. So it's something that I can -- we can -- we see and we understand. But again, still see healthy, healthy billing, annual billings, LTE renewals, as Gil mentioned, healthy billing in terms of all of the growth pillars, mainly around the cloud business and the Harmony E-mail business. So again, in terms of building it tough to me to say how it will affect in the end, how it will impact the annual billing for 2023 because we just finished the first quarter, but that's how we see it.
Saket Kalia: Very helpful. Thanks, guys.
Kip Meintzer: Next up is Jonathan Ho from William Blair followed by Joel P. Fishbein, Jr. from Truist.
Jonathan Ho: Fantastic. Can you maybe help us understand the impact from some of the deal postponements and delays that you talked about on the quarter, if there's a way to quantify that -- and perhaps relative to the guidance, like why not sort of take the opportunity to take a more conservative view here? What's maybe giving you the confidence to support that? Thank you.
Gil Shwed: First, I think you see some of the impact in the product revenues, and that's -- I think we were very straightforward about that. That's the impact of the changes that we've seen in especially, again, it's refresh what we call new deals, the new business that we have in the business. About the forecast, right now, we are basing our projection based on our sales forecast based on our pipeline and so on. And they still seem to support the projection for the year. I definitely don't, again, I don't really don't want to lower guidance just so that we can show better numbers in the future. I think we have to be very responsible here. So as I said, the arrangement that we have is wide. There's a good potential that will be on the upper hand. There is a risk that we want. We have to take it into consideration. I think we are kind of very realistic about the range that we provide. And I don't want to lower range unless I'm sure that I'm not going to hit it, let's put it that way. And I think, by the way, I mean, what will happen in the second half guys, I think we don't know. I mean, over the last -- I mean -- I don't want to all my experience, but just if we look at the last two or three years, there has been up and downs that nobody could have predicted in the last two or three years, including the last quarter and a half that were pretty dramatic in my mind and whether that will take a quarter to whether it will stabilize, take a quarter to go back to modest growth or take two quarters to get to high growth. I have no clue. It's really something that's very hard to predict at this point.
Jonathan Ho: Thank you.
Kip Meintzer: All right. Our next caller is Joel P. Fishbein followed by Gregg Moskowitz.
Joel Fishbein: Thanks for taking my question. And Gil just curious you have $3.6 billion in cash on the balance sheet. You generate a lot of cash. I wanted to ask you, I know, you've been buying back a lot of stock. If there's been any change in your appetite for potential for doing more M&A. What the environment looks like on the M&A side? I would love to get your input from that? Thank you.
Gil Shwed: So first, absolutely, we have more appetite to doing M&A. We are looking at additional deals. I think the -- I think I'm kind of cautiously optimistic about that because I see that company's valuation become a little bit more realistic more companies understand that they need to partner with someone because the market consolidation will happen in that part, just like we're seeing in the market change from unlimited supply of money to profitability, which is, again, part of the economy rule, it's bound to happen. I think consolidation in the industry that's so fragmented like cybersecurity will happen too. At this point, I think, it's still hard to see what's happening. Some of the -- I'll give you a few examples, not without specific companies, but some of the companies, the valuation went down, are still not profitable. So it's hard to justify that. I mean -- and -- but as I say, I mean I feel cautiously optimistic. We see more opportunities in all market segments from small companies to midsized companies that we are looking into that, and I hope that we'll find the right opportunities.
Joel Fishbein: Thank you.
Kip Meintzer: Thanks, Joel. Next up is Gregg Moskowitz followed by Shebly Seyrafi.
Gregg Moskowitz: Yeah. Thank you for taking the questions. So Gil, we've spoken a lot about the macro on this call, but since this is the lowest product revenue growth that we've seen from Check Point since mid-2018, I just wanted to ask, would you attribute the weakness entirely to macro? Or were there any execution areas that may have also contributed to some degree? Thanks.
Gil Shwed: I want to be -- I don't want to sound arrogant here. I think we can do so much better in Check Point, and we have so much potential with our sales force. But what we see now is completely the result of the economy. I think our sales force is performing better, is doing better on every parameter that I'm looking into. Again I can think that they can do so much more. I mean I don't think that we are at 100% productivity. I think we can get much more productivity from our sales force, but our sales force is improving. In the last year, we hired a lot of good people actually in the last six months, the level of attrition went drastically down and so on. We did hire some new people in the second half of 2022. I think if you remember, when we went into 2022, I came in with pretty aggressive hiring targets for the sales force. Some hired them in the first half of the year, some only got to that hiring in the second half of the year. But still I mean our sales force I think is not the source of the challenge, the source of the challenge is clearly the economy.
Gregg Moskowitz: Thanks, Gil.
Kip Meintzer: Thanks, Gregg. Next up is Shebly Seyrafi followed by Dan Ives from Wedbush.
Shebly Seyrafi: Thank you. Any vertical callouts, especially in the financial services vertical and the technology vertical?
Gil Shwed: No, I think the trends in the marketplace are very universal. We had some challenges in the financial sector. We had some big wins in the financial sectors. Same with the technology sector, which is the financial sector is maybe our largest sector. And again, I think that's what we've seen in terms of the trends in the marketplace are pretty universal, I must say. Roei, anything you want to add to that?
Roei Golan: Not in specific vector or industry vertical or industry. I mean we've seen broadly enabled. I mean, in everything, not specifically, we didn't see it in finance or something other -- or some other industries.
Shebly Seyrafi: Okay. Thank you.
Kip Meintzer: All right. It looks like Dan Ives is on CNBC or some other place. So we're going to move forward with Irvin Liu, followed by Michael Turits.
Irvin Liu: Hi. Thanks for the question. Perhaps another one on macro. So I wanted to better understand the thought process behind some of our customers delaying project refreshes are some of these longer sales cycles, the result of lower-than-expected IT spending budgets broadly or if there was a specific targeting of moderating cybersecurity spending just following a few years of accelerated spend there?
Gil Shwed: From what I can say is the general trend in the industry and nothing about cyber. When I speak to people, everybody, and I'm saying everybody from CFOs, CEOs, CISOs, they all say that cyber is still a great source for investment. It's still very much needed. When you see the attack landscape, there is definitely, you see the reasons for that. So nobody is thinking that cybersecurity spending should go down. So I believe that what I see is the general trend from friends that I have in the industry in other areas of IT, the situation in other segments is much worse actually than in cyber.
Irvin Liu: Great. Thanks for the color.
Kip Meintzer: All right. Our next caller is Michael Turits followed by Ittai Kidron, who will be our last call for the day.
Michael Turits: Hey, Gil and Roei and Kip. Just wanted to come back to the sales force growth, which I think, Gil, you just said, not significant growth. I think you'd said for this year. I think you had said double-digit growth previously. So is there a change there? Are you pulling back on your expectations? And if so, what does that mean in terms of some of the things you're trying to achieve from a go-to-market perspective and to get that greater sales engagement you're talking about?
Gil Shwed: I think we've invested a lot in the sales force last year. We want to see it pays off. We want to see that it's being digestible. If we see that, as I said, when we see an area that we believe that we can hire more people to increase customer coverage or productivity will not be shy to do that. We have the resources to do that. I think our sales engagement can be much higher. I think we are not meeting enough CISOs. I think we're not -- we can convey better our story at higher levels in the organization. I think we can engage our customers in multiple ways. We see good examples of that every day. When we are meeting with customers and say, well, I know Check Point. I've been working with you for 20 years. I didn't know that you have such an amazing platform today. I didn't know that you have this architecture. I should consider you for other projects. So I think we can do so much more even with the people that we have today, and we have good people.
Kip Meintzer: All right. Thank you, Michael. Next up, Ittai.
Ittai Kidron: Thanks and thanks for the time, Gil. I guess I had a question about the productivity that you just talked about. You've tried for quite some time to improve productivity. So what is it do you think that you're not doing internally to get the productivity. Why is it so hard? What are things that you're trying that are not working. What is the process to fix the things that are not working right.
Gil Shwed: First, we are doing, and we are improving, and I'm glad to see that. And again, we have a lot of new people in the sales force in the management ranks and in all the different tracks that we are doing. I think the main thing is how the sales force is being structured. It's been -- it's a very distributed organization that over the years grew in an environment that's not very structured. That's been a pool mode, that's being how to provide the best technology, how to best serve our customers. And I think we can instill far more discipline in being more aggressive, going to more outbound, going to more customers, fighting for the customers or for the -- for getting to the people that don't know us, not just for the people who know us -- and I think creating that environment creating that change in 3,000 people distributed organization that doesn't have the discipline is challenging. By the way, in some cases, that may be the good thing in our sales force that we have very good people that know how to work with customers, to keep the customers happy to keep the customers loyal, but know the technology. But some of it can be changed and can be improved.
Ittai Kidron: Thank you.
Kip Meintzer: Thank you, guys, all for joining us today. That's going to conclude our call. We'll look forward to seeing you guys throughout the quarter and the best to everybody. Thank you, guys. Bye-bye.
Gil Shwed: Thank you very much. Bye-bye. Thank you.
